danielvasel (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

BOOOOOOOOOORING

nonphixional1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

in refernce to kgarmas comment . isnt the existence of an omnipotent being itself random. existence is probability there is a chance that there could be nothingness. everything either randomly happens or doesnt do to probability

KGarma (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

iNDIGOarts, that is classic Newtionian. It has been shown that enzymes work through quantum tunneling. People are bags of enzymes.So everybody is always doing lots of random things. Even when asleep.

KGarma (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

A mathmetician's view.Things that have free will are called random variables. Random variables have a deterministic representation called a characteristic function. (The characteristic function is the fourier transform of the random variable.)The characteristic function exists in an infinite dimensional space. That is, from a godlike perspective, all is pre-destined, but from our finite perspective, the future is unknown.

gilbretto1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

These governing laws only exist relative to human perception. The laws that haven't been discovered essentially exist within a world of potential that is void of a particular form or mode of characterization and, like the laws themselves, only exists relative to human perception. In this context, there is no external.

iNDIGOarts (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Agreed. Also, nothing is random. Randomness is only the result of a lack of or no understanding of the cause of the effect. There are many laws/principles governing/influencing our entire being that are currently known of, that are yet to be discovered and many of which im sure will exceed our comprehension. The power of thought has already been scientifically proven which has a great influence on us whether we are aware of it or not. Free will = Illusion

UberHam (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

what if you did something completely randomthen you didnt do it because you wanted you did it because it was random?say i look at my fist and then randomly lifted up 1 of my fingersi didnt want that particular finger to be lifted up, but it did because i chose it randomlythen that raises the question if people are truely capable of generating something truely random

AmThat (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

If Carl Jung was to be believed, the human personality is compiled from opposing tendencies. Whether these tendencies are chosen, or whether environmental circumstances force our the human mind into a particular tendency is unknown. I personally believe that once we are set into our tendencies and paradigms, we are a slave to circumstance for ever after. But if the single choice was made before our personalities were developed, our lives would essentially be a product of our initial choice.

copicuk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i agree konikula. I can logically break down coffee into its chemical subsystems, but I will never fully understand it until I drink it. Experience of the whole is sometimes as important, if not more so, than understanding of separate parts. Furthermore separation often impedes direct understanding through experience.

copicuk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

exactly dreicemoney. Value is personal. If through interaction, discussion and exploration, new personal understanding develops, we may improve each others experience of existence. To that process I would ascribe great value. Let's make life better.